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Dav · Posted: Thu Jan 17, 2008 5:24 pm Post subject: Next LP speculation

Obviously the band has enough new songs to fill a triple LP, i wondered what songs you think might make it to the album ?
Here is a non exaustive list of "new" songs :

the ramen song
Objectified
I picked the winner
Kids on tour
Slogans
the nature song
powerfull chemical
Whistle Past The Graveyard
20000 leagues under the sea
dog eat dog
Minnie The Moocher
wait it out
it's not mipossible
if life exist
roll bus roll
shadow party
creeping brain
pigs

that's a lot of song, i realise this now....
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jack fe · Joined: 08 Apr 2006 Posts: 865

I really dislike the Pig song. I don't know why. I just really, really didn't like it. And Shadow Party probably wont be on there, as it's on Jack's record.

I'm expecting (but will probably be surprised as ever):
Objectified
Roll Bus Roll
Slogans
Dog Eat Dog
The Nature Song
I Picked The Winner
Minnie The Moocher
Wait It Out
If Life Exists

That would be an incredible album! Very Happy

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Dav · Posted: Thu Jan 17, 2008 6:11 pm Post subject:

Shadow party can definitly make it to the lp, both version are very different, plus Mystic was on Jeff lewis band and Jack cd...I like the pig song, i listened to it at work this morning.

Whistle Past The Graveyard is lp material too !
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Will Oldham · Posted: Thu Jan 17, 2008 6:28 pm Post subject:

i like the pig song personally.

usually the new albums have songs which have been experimented with on recent tours, i think we can rule out,

Objectified
if life exist
roll bus roll
creeping brain
and possibly Kids on tour

as old favorites.l

I picked the winner
Slogans
Minnie The Moocher
wait it out
dog eat dog

I've seen on recent tours and all come under the experimental stage heading ( I remember williamsburg W O H going though the same process at many shows before it made the album , listening to jeff in interviews etc its definitely the creative process he likes best out of the whole process and i think a new album is a chance to work on new things so i really dont see the more polished songs getting on there

the ramen song
the nature song
powerful chemical
Whistle Past The Graveyard
20000 leagues under the sea
it's not impossible
pigs

I think have a very song chance of being re molded and finished and put on the album and no doubt some ones we're yet to hear,

I reckon next time they're in Europe we'll get a good idea of whats gonna be on the album as what ever they are playing and is sounding tight and finished will be what they've been working on!
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terricloth · Joined: 28 Nov 2005 Posts: 189 Location: westchester, NY

i've got my fingers crossed for creeping brain.
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chocabloc · Joined: 08 Feb 2006 Posts: 149 Location: various

Aren't 20,000 leagues and Powerful Chemicals Peter Stampfel songs? Can't imagine they'll be on the album if they are. I'd be surprised if the ramen song ever makes it on to an album. its just a bit....hmm, rubbish.

fabalbert · Joined: 29 Apr 2006 Posts: 435 Location: London

I never really saw roll bus roll as an album track, and I picked a winner is more Jack's song, I can't really see the ramen song on their either. I would bet If Life Exists, Wait it out (love that one!) and It's not impossible (that would be great).
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morgan · Posted: Sat Jan 26, 2008 10:55 am Post subject:

BUT roll bus roll is so good!!!
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Will Oldham · Posted: Sat Jan 26, 2008 8:26 pm Post subject:

how is I picked the winner any more of a jack song that wait it out?
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Dav · Posted: Sat Jan 26, 2008 9:16 pm Post subject:

fabalbert · Joined: 29 Apr 2006 Posts: 435 Location: London

I think Jeff sings more on wait it out than I picked a winner. Perhaps I'm wrong.

And I LOVE LOVE LOVE roll bus roll, but I just never really saw it on an album. Again, perhaps I'm wrong. I'm just speculating.
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jefflewis · Joined: 21 Nov 2005 Posts: 1512

Sorry, it's a bit of a ridiculous situation, I know.
Last Feb (2007), when I was almost done with the Crass stuff, we did record a whole bunch of our own songs that might have turned into a new album but then it seemed that the Crass album would be a more interesting next release which seems to have been a correct thought, it's gotten a lot more attention than another one of our normal albums probably would have - now there'll maybe be a few more people curious about our next release than there would have been without the Crass album.
But I know that for all of you folks who have been seeing our shows for the past few years some of these "new" songs are not new at all! We've usually been the kind of band to be trying out new material as we write things, and allow things to evolve through live performances, I think it makes the songs much better in the long run than the way most bands release a new album of all-unheard material, play that album live on the next tour, then repeat the process... but it also means that our biggest supporters don't really get a "new" album, they get mostly new recorded versions of songs they've already been hearing for a while.
The Crass album was the first time I had made an album before playing most of the songs live a bunch, and I think it suffered for this... I think every song on it has improved a tremendous amount over the last few months of touring, the lyrics, the music, the arrangements... when I listen to the album now I really wish I had a chance to re-make most of it, using the lessons you can only learn from playing stuff live for a while!
Even the recordings for a new album that we did in Feb 2007 now seem like they would need a lot of changes, many of those songs have improved over the past year too. You can tell from the original old recording of Roll Bus Roll that has been on our Myspace page that the lyrics have gotten better since then (in my opinion!) tho I do love David Herman Dune's ukulele playing on it...
Also I usually think that the longer an album takes to make the better it will probably be, more songs to chose from too. City & Eastern Songs was originally recorded with Misty's Big Adventure in the UK but never finished, then we recorded some other stuff in the basement of our friend Dashan (Huggabroomstick) back in NYC, and then of course we ended up recording the whole thing from scratch in a studio with Kramer to make the "real" album. Even though it was a long and stupid process and the album took so long to finally come out I think all the mistakes and mis-steps and delays really made it a much better album, some of the songs were not even written when we first recorded it, and other songs improved a huge amount (maybe you've heard the original version of "Moving" that Jack put on Myspace, the lyrics are not really finished at all!).

Will Oldham · Posted: Thu Jan 31, 2008 1:50 am Post subject:

Ok let the speculation start again as to what songs are gonna be on there! Laughing

Hey Jeff do you have a time scale in mind for getting it recorded/ released (we're not bugging you - I know the crass one just game out, just curious)

Id definitely agree that the crass songs Improved the more shows I heard them at, not that they weren't great to start with, you've just discovered the depths of field of each song as a band, as was pointed out on another thread the version of banned from the roxy on myspace at the moment blows the album version out the water in my opinion

and its always been fun and kind of novel as a fan to experience the birth and development of a song in front of us, Williams burg will oldham horror(WWOH) particularly sticks in my mind for this, going to shows a few years ago i first heard it, next time i heard it it sounded different, its new so you only remember snipets from the show you hear some early show recordings then the day comes when you get that new cd and put it in and the song comes on that you know but its polished and tight and clear and its exciting like at the end of a film when the hero comes back in to town and hes bigger and badder than ever and you know this is what you've been waiting for and something special is about togo down, and it feels all the more special because you have that prior relationship with the song (have i said to much , maybe its just me Confused

)I just remembered it was the same when I saw back when I was 4 was on 'its the ones who've cracked...' id worn out mp3.com playing that song then suddenly there it was standing backlit in the doorway with a cape!

the flip side to that though I guess is that we did all once upon a time fall in love with that raw honestly of the recordings of songs such as, ... well any of the first album. listening to the album now i cant help but wonder if these songs which i love ( ive just gone from amanda into heavy heart) would be recorded differently if done today. and would i like them any better or worse.? Ive never listened to a new (jeff) album and not loved it I don't think ive ever even compared one album to the next or last, it just exists in its own right. I don't know about the rest of you guys but its unusual when you think about it because its the norm for an artist to be constantly compared to his previous work, especially if its been well received as it always is.
Im not even sure what point im making anymore, i was about to say has the initial intimacy made way for a more polished studio honed sound but I know the answer to that, as much as I love springtime say or heavy heart or life i connect and emote every bit as much with moving and anxiety attack and had it all and... and ... so is there a danger of over producing ? i dont think so getting back to my earlier point about WWOH half the thrill was hearing how good it sounded, those 3 notes of into on fiddle are pure genius

anyway after writing a paragraph which went no where im gonna let you make your own comments Very Happy

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jack fe · Joined: 08 Apr 2006 Posts: 865

Nick, you're completely right! Mainly about hearing the songs live and then WOW!
I get that with some bootlegs or live or whatever. I remember hearing Slogans on a few boots for ages and absolutely loving it. Then when they kicked into it at the show with Cornershop in the summer I had no idea what it was until the vocals came in. I was totally gobsmacked.

I guess that's the problem with songs constantly improving on the road, you can never really be happy with the album version, unless you do it when it's completely as good as it'll get.
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Will Oldham · Posted: Thu Jan 31, 2008 2:13 am Post subject:

Yes slogans is totally like that i remember when there was like one badly recorded bootleg of it and i was desperately trying to make out the lyrics,

there are two types of people then that are gonna hear the new album, those that dont get to all the shows and will find lots of cool new songs

and folks like us that are excited to hear what they've done with it, for me personally I guess I get that new album experience at the show when I hear a song Ive never heard before, you're there loving the set, knowing every lyric then suddenly theres an intro you dont know and you're shocked and exited and want to drink in everthing about it!
damm all this talk is getting me eager for another tour!! (need to pace myself - I doubt we'll be getting 4 again this year or what ever crazy figure it was last year!)
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